Category Archives: Business Aviation

ACP040 – How To Get Your FAA Dispatcher Certificate; Corporate Flight Attendant Jobs with ExecuJet Flight Coordinator Daniel Slapo

DanielSlapo2What does an aircraft scheduler do? How do you become a flight dispatcher? What is it like to be a corporate flight attendant? What jobs are available in all of these fields?

I am excited today to have with me someone who can help answer these questions. His name is Daniel Slapo and he has had a varied and interesting career which has included all the jobs mentioned.

Today Daniel and I discuss:

  • How he became interested in aviation.
  • Why he enjoys his job.
  • What is an aircraft scheduler and how to become one.
  • What is a flight dispatcher.
  • The licenses necessary to become a flight dispatcher.
  • How to become a corporate flight attendant.
  • What are Part 91, 91 Sub Park K, and Part 135.
  • What a “normal” day is in the life of each of these interesting careers.
  • What action you should take now if you are interested in one or all of these careers.

Links Mentioned In This Podcast:

Execujet Charter

ExecuJet-Logo-300

NBAA (National Business Aircraft Assoction)

Reasons To Use A Scheduler Dispatcher

Tampa Bay Aviation Association

TBAA
Episode 6 – National Aviation Academy

Jet Professionals

Flight Safety Flight Attendant Training

Air Care Crews – Business Aviation Staffing

Beyond and Above Flight Attendant Training


Flying The World As A Corporate Pilot With Chris Thren – ACP033

IMAG0161Welcome to Episode 33. This is  the podcast where we give you an inside look at aviation careers and motivate you to achieve your career goals!  I am really excited to be bringing you this episode because my guest today is a friend and fellow aviator who is passionate about flying and he will help you understand what it is like to fly the world as a corporate pilot.

Before we begin I want to say thank you for listening and also thanks to all those who have sent me feedback. I also want to thank those who have offered to financially support to the podcast through donations I don’t take donations but,  one of the best ways to help support this podcast is to visit AviationCareersPodcast.com and click one of our sponsors listed in the right column of the website. I also am working on another solution where I you can sponsor this program while giving to a great cause. More details will follow but I am very excited about this opportunity because it involves helping our WWII veterans.

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I am truly excited about this episode because I get to talk to a friend and fellow aviator who is going to help me reply to a listener e-mail. Today I have with me Chris Thren, a corporate pilot who worked his way up from the kid watching planes at a grass strip to flying jets around the world.

Today’s episode was inspired by an email from Garrett:

Hey Carl,

Just wanted to drop you a note and say great job on Aviation Careers Podcast.   I recently found the podcast and have listened to every episode in the last few days..   Pretty much 24/7. My favorite one that you did was comparing Business “Corporate” flying and The Airlines in Episode 14.  You did a great job in describing the difference in the two and  the jobs available in the corporate world. I was wondering if you could do ANOTHER episode and really expand on the corporate end of it.

Could you do a podcast discussing the routes into the Corporate world?Specifically from people that moved through the ranks on their own grassroots style, not the ones who went through a flight school or anything like that.  I would like to hear from people that went the “Pay as you GO” route as I put it. Somebody that didn’t go take out the 80k loan and do a fast track program. I know these people are out there because I have run into them a few times at FBO’s

Is 38 too old to enter this industry?

One thing that really has me worried is this new HR5900 Rule. Its killing all of us LOW time Pilots.

What advice do you have on that area?

How do you see this effecting the pilot Pool and the way the industry will change in the next few years?

Do you think the SIC rule will change?

I Appreciate all you do for us pilots out here,

Garrett 

Thanks again for the e-mail and the incredible story Garrett. Since you took the time to write me with such a wonderful and interesting story I decided to try and find someone who could help answer some of your corporate aviation questions in depth. Today I have with me Chris Thren who like you got the bug for aviation but at a very young age. To help us understand what it is really like to fly the world as in international corporate pilot I thought Chris would be perfect since he has flown a Falcon 900 and many other planes around the world.  Chris has worked as a check airman and has many years experience flying to some of the most remote parts of the world.

 

ChrisThren30WToday Chris and I discuss:

  • Highlights of his corporate job.

  • How he developed his passion for aviation.

  • His career path from grass roots aviator to check airman flying a corporate jet around the world.

  • What it is like to land in some of these far corners of the world.

  • His favorite aspects of business aviation and who he would recommend this job to.

  • Organizations that help corporate pilots throughout their career.

  • The challenges of being a corporate pilot.

  • Specific detailed examples of the day in the life of flying as a corporate pilot both domestic and international.

  • Where Chris is now in his career.

  • Advice for those looking at a career in business aviation. 

ChrisThrenCockpitThanks for being on the show Chris and if any of you have questions or feedback for either Chris or myself please go to AviationCareersPodcast.com and click on the contact page.  If your question is for Chris I will forward it to him and we will answer you directly and possibly share it in an upcoming episode. Remember your privacy is important to us so we will only share your story and not your personal information. If you leave us a voicemail at 347-MY-WINGS please leave your personal contact information in the beginning so I can edit it out if we use your voicemail on the show.

I hope you have enjoyed this episode and if you did please rate us on iTunes. Also if you want updates please sign up for e-mail updates at AviationCareersPodcast.com

As you can tell by our interview with Chris today the path towards your aviation career goal is varied. Remember to keep looking forward and accept the many challenges as learning and growth opportunities. I know you will reach your career goal if you simply persist and persevere.

Talk to you next episode and safe flying.

 Links Mentioned In This Podcast:

 Aviation Careers Podcast Episode 14 – What Is Business And Private Aviation?, Interview with Corporate Pilot Tom Wachowski

NBAA – National Business Aviation Association

AOPA – Aircraft Owners And Pilots Association

Jet Professionals Inc.

Executive Jet Management

Flight Safety International

SimuFlight 

ACP031 – Inspiring The Future Of Aviation – Interviews From Sun N Fun 2013 – Part 2

Welcome to Episode 31. Today’s episode is the second part of the inspirational aviation career interviews from Sun N Fun 2013.  Sun ’n Fun’s mission is to preserve and enhance  the future of flight through world-class events while inspiring and educating people of all ages. To learn more about Sun N Fun please listen to episode 30 and read the show notes. I think you will find that there is something for everyone who is interested in aviation at Sun N Fun year round.

Before we begin the interviews I want to encourage you to sign up for our e-mail updates. Many of you have asked if I could be available for career counseling. Of course if you have questions please feel free to go to Aviation Careers Podcast and click on the contact page to submit your questions, but I do understand you would like a more comprehensive conversation. I have spent many years consulting and would love to do one on one with each and every listener but I have limited time and my consulting rates may be a bit high especially for those who are just starting out in their career. Therefore,I came up with an idea that will help all of you and be of a high value.

I am still working on a few solutions along with some books and videos that will help you move towards your career goal. To keep up to date on the progress of these ideas and to receive other career updates please go to AviationCareersPodcast.com and sign up for e-mail updates in the right column.  I also will send announcements on occasion to include who is hiring, new programs available at flight schools, and new financing options to name a few. I encourage you to sign up for these e-mail updates because I am excited to be bringing you this valuable information in the future.

This episode contains inspiring interviews which all who are interested in a career in aviation will enjoy. In these interviews we discuss many aviation career fields including : commercial airline pilot, flight instructor, mechanic, engineer, and management.

Most of the volunteers at Sun N Fun Radio represent many podcasts. In my case I was representing The Stuck Mic AvCast:  an aviation podcast about learning to fly, living to fly, and loving to fly. I encourage you to  listen to at StuckMicAvCast.com.

Now with that said, lets get started listening to some of these informative and inspirational discussions.

 

  • Al Thompson – Central Florida Aviation Academy – Al discusses the purpose of the academy and how students can apply to the school. CFA is a wonderful opportunity for those young people interested in aviation.
  • Elaine Larsen The Embry Riddle University Jet Dragster. Elaine speaks about opportunities for engineering students to work on the jet engine and the dragster through the Eagle Hire Program
  • Jamil Larkin and The Embry Riddle Dream Launch Tour. Jamil discusses all of the career fields you can pursue at Embry Riddle.
  • Jessica MacClinchy, Admissions Representative, National Aviation Academy – Jessica speaks about the aircraft mechanic school, flight school, financial aid, and job opportunities for graduates.
  • Marisha Faulk – Driver of Embry-Riddle Jet Dragster – Marisha talks about driving the Jet Dragster, her degree experience at Embry-Riddle, flight instructing, and her future plans for flying. Marisha is truly an inspiration and is an example of someone who has overcome many challenges and succeeded in defining her career in aviation.
  • Julius with Aeronautical Systems Engineering at the National Aviation Academy Booth discusses the advantage of using simulators for your training.
  • Wayne with Elite Flight Simulation Solutions discusses the various flight simulators and the advantages of simulator training.
  • Paul Cassell – Fedex – Donates a 727 to Sun N Fun as a training device from the Central Florida Aviation Academy. Paul speaks about the outreach programs at Fedex and the importance of the many different careers in aviation. In addition Paul talks about the great need in all aviation career fields.
  • Tailwheels Etc. opened a new campus at Lakeland Linder Airport – John discusses their new flight school and what they have to offer for the student looking into a career in aviation. You can also learn how to fly a Stearman!  Kevin Chambers talks about the new program at Lakeland and the pending pilot shortage, and their new financing program. John discusses how Sallie Mae is back in the aviation educational financing business. John also talks about basic and advanced Aero Camp.
  • Jim Sherman talks about Plane Sense and the career opportunities.

As you can tell there are numerous passionate aviators at Sun N Fun who love to share their knowledge about aviation careers. If you are interested in a career in aviation, Sun N Fun is a great place to start. They have yearlong events and activities including summer camps, museum tours, an aviation high school, and so much more. For more information about Sun N Fun go to Sun-N-Fun.org.

Also if  you want to hear some amazing interviews and prerecorded shows you can listen to Sun N Fun radio at LiveAtc.net/snf or click on the link from my website.  Sun ’n Fun’s mission is to preserve and enhance  the future of flight through world-class events while inspiring and educating people of all ages and they truly achieve this goal. Click here to read How To Listen To Sun N Fun Radio 2013.

Thanks for listening to Aviation Careers Podcast. If you found this information useful please help support this website by visiting our sponsors listed on the website.  Also if you have any questions please click on the contact page where you can send an e-mail or leave a voicemail.

I hope you have enjoyed this podcast and gleaned valuable information from these interviews. To be successful in your career goal it takes persistence and perseverance. I have faith that you will achieve your career goal!

Talk to you next episode and Safe Flying!


ACP023 – Ten Reasons You Should NOT Become An Airline Pilot. Career Questions Answered with Tom Wachowski.

I spent a few days dropping my business cards off at flight schools and fixed base operators and I have come to a striking conclusion. Airports and flight schools can be the worst place to go if you want advice on becoming an airline pilot. Let me explain.

I like to leave cards at the airport so those who are interested in an aviation career will learn from the interviews and advice we provide on this show. After speaking with various people at numerous airports I received diverse reactions to my podcast.

When I speak with those who have been in the industry a long time I usually hear “I hope you are telling pilots to get out of aviation and do something that makes money”. When I speak with newer pilots excited about their new career I get a completely opposite reaction.

Most new pilots are “interested in hearing what we have to say on this podcast because they can’t wait to move their careers forward”. I can’t blame these “newbies” in the industry with all the negative feedback they get from their boss and the other older pilots working at the airport, I too would want to move on.

To help you better understand the challenges of being an airline pilot I wanted to give you some of the negatives I have heard from these people and other pilots I have spoken with over the past few decades. I have compiled a list of the top ten reasons you should not become an airline pilot so you can decide for yourself if this career is for you. If the top ten reasons are not negatives in your mind, then you will be a candidate for becoming an airline pilot.

Before we begin with our top ten list of reasons you should NOT become an airline pilot I want to ask you a favor. If you are an airline pilot and are listening to this podcast I invite you to write in with your own list of the top reasons you Should or Should NOT become an airline pilot. I will include these in an upcoming episode.

Today we are also going to spend most of the episode answering your aviation career questions sent via email. To help me with my list and to help give another perspective is Tom Wachowski. Tom was our guest in episode 14 and helped us understand the corporate pilot career.

Tom and I Discuss:

The Top Ten Reasons You Should NOT Become An Airline Pilot.

  1. You want to be home every night.
  2. You don’t like sleeping in hotel rooms.
  3. You needs lots of rest and can’t imagine working a 16 hour day.
  4. You want to a large income right away.
  5. You want to change jobs often.
  6. You want holidays off.
  7. You want to see your family every day.
  8. You don’t work well under pressure.
  9. You are afraid of being tested continually just to keep your job.
  10. You don’t like working with others in an enclosed environment.

Listener Mail:

From Ron:

I’ve only recently discovered your podcast, I appreciate the fresh perspective your episodes deliver!

For those who may not be able to fly with an airline, or may have a restriction on their medical for color vision deficiency with “not valid for night flying or by color signal control”, what other flying jobs are there aside from perhaps agricultural or patrol or daytime charters? How would one get their foot in the door with these or any other opportunities? How does one plug into the aviation “network” and begin making invaluable contacts?

From Shane:

I started listening to your podcast after your appearance on the airplane geeks podcast. At the time I was a student enrolled in the professional pilot program and working part time for the school as a veteran/financial aid adviser. Around this time our previous flight training provider lost their contract and a new flight school received the contract to conduct the flight training portion of the degree.

Word went out the new flight school was conducting interviews but since I had not yet received my CFI certification I initially thought that I shouldn’t waste my time interviewing. Luckily I remembered the advice I have heard repeatedly on your podcast that there is more to aviation careers than just flying so I went in with a resume and some optimism hoping for the best.

The following week I was contacted by the new flight school and they informed me they wanted me to be the customer service and admissions manager with a focus on student success. The best part was they agreed to let me start taking on students once I finished my flight instructor certificate!

I would never have thought to apply for this job if it were not for your advice and I could not be happier with the outcome. I love my new job and look forward to coming to work every day.

Thank you,
Shane

From James:

I just recently discovered your podcast and I really hope you continue to produce these in the future. I have been a helicopter pilot in the US Army for the past 16 years and I’m looking to start a 2nd career in the Airlines at the ripe old age of 38.

I started flying in 1990 when I was 15. At this time, a Cessna 152 was about $30/hour and the instructor was about $15/hour. At that point in time, one could pay for a private pilot certificate with about $2,000. Today the least expensive airplanes I see rent wet for about $100/hour and the CFI $50/hour. According the the US Inflation calculator, $30 in 1990 should be about $53 today, having had a rate of inflation change of 76% over the past 22 years. Even in 1990, the “old timers” were complaining about how much prices had risen since the late 70’s/early 80’s.

So why has the cost of flight training outpaced inflation by 200% over the past 20 years, and over 300% over the past 30 years?

It’s easy to blame the lawyers of the 1970’s and 1980’s for putting the Wichita companies out of the business of producing training aircraft. We still have no where near the economies of scale of production that we had during the “golden era” of the 60’s and 70’s.

I don’t think the LSA/sport pilot revolution (est. 2004) has lived up to the expectations we had anticipated 10 years ago. Is this simply because a plastic plane still needs to sell for $100k to turn a profit at the current (low) production levels?

One thing that has become more affordable over the years is the cost of the average airline ticket and the accessibility to the general public. When I took my first ride on an airplane in 1977 to visit Grandma, residing just 3 states away, it cost my parents $700 per person in 1977 dollars ($2,661 today) to board that United Airlines DC-10.

If the public thinks that we need to go back to the good old days when we were served steak and lobster with our own flight attendant to pamper us at the cost of 8 weeks worth of wages, this can still be done–it’s called first class.

And finally, to beat the dead horse of whether or not a pilot shortage really exists. Most of those in the industry who poo poo the idea of a real shortage based on the fact that during their tenure over the past 30 years, there just hasn’t been one. We have cried wolf too many times over the past 3 decades with nothing really materializing. What they need to keep in mind is that there are some major factors that have changed that didn’t occur during their time in the industry. Airline operators will no longer have the luxury of lowering the hiring minimums to 250 hours like they did in the late 1990’s. The cost of training and access to financial support to pay for training is at an all time low. Just look at the pilot population of 1980 (800,000 +) compared to today (500,000 +) and then further compare that to the number of passengers traveling and aircraft in service. This may just perhaps be the “real” shortage.

From Robert:

Hello, I found your podcast from hearing you on the Airplane Geeks Podcast. I am a former flight instructor and 135 charter pilot who has been out of the industry for the past two years but am trying to return to commercial flying. I have 1530 total time, 1197 multi engine, 960 turbojet multi and all the CFI ratings. However I have not flown in the past two years. I am hoping you might be able to advise me on how much recent experience I need to build to be a candidate for a regional airline.

Thanks,
Robert

From Terry:

Hello, My name is Terry Peterson I’m a Commercial Single Engine Land Instrument pilot with 500 TT and will have my CFI/II soon. I have been in sales for about 10 years and really enjoyed your podcast about aircraft sales. This is a field that has interested me for a while and I think with my skill set I would be a good fit in this field.

I’m working on my instructor certificates right now as kind of a student teacher. My instructor has paired me up with an instrument student, I write the lesson plans and my instructor then reviews them. I then teach the approved lesson to the student and when he is ready I sign him off for a stage check with the instructor to see how we are both doing.. If I could log dual given I would be able to log about 25 hours at this point. I like this approach because I found that I really enjoy teaching.

I have also decided to start my Aviation Maintenance Technician (AMT) training next year at my local college. I have been thinking about this for a year but after hearing your podcast about how it could make me more marketable as a pilot to have my AMT I have decided to move forward.

I have just recently found your podcast by way of the New pilot podblog when you were being interviewed by Rob. I have found your podcast informative and empowering . I believe I have been given inside information to make better educated decisions concerning my new career in aviation.

Thank you,

Terry

From Dan:

Hello Carl,

I have recently started listening to this podcast and am in the process of catching up from the beginning. Just have a few questions/comments from the episodes I have heard thus far.

In episode 15, you spoke with Betty of the Betty in the Sky with a Suitcase podcast. One point that came up was crash pads and the like, and it made me think of www.airbnb.com. Only very loosely related, as I understand this is much more like a hotel room than a long term money saving rental. However, I thought it might be worth mentioning for at least some of the corporate pilots out there, or anyone else staying overnight in a city which they don’t call home, who wants something a bit different than your usual hotel room. I’m sure the company takes care of the hotel rooms for you airline guys, so that is probably not really an issue. Perhaps this is more of a Pick of the Week for a Stuck Mic episode.

Stemming from the corporate pilot train of thought, I wanted to say that Tom Wachowski from episode 14 was by far my favourite thus far. Most likely due to the fact that he is living the life that I would like to see myself in. Which brings me to my point.

Currently, I am taking an online ground school course before I jump in to my primary flight training. Trying to be as efficient as possible in regards to my training, I have planned to complete the ground training so that I can take some time off work and focus entirely on flight training.

Everything I have read/heard says that the more you can fly during training, the better off you are. What I am hoping to do is fly 7 days a week, as I already have a flight school which assures me that will not be a problem for them.

My question is this, is there some point which could be considered too much flying? I understand that some would point out the possibility of burn out with that much flying, but if fuel would allow… I would never come down. Just not sure how passengers would feel about that. My 30th birthday is just around the corner, so I am a bit behind the ball on this, which is why I would like to expedite training without rushing so much that it is ‘bad’ training. Long term goal would be to move to a senior position with a regional carrier and do some corporate contract work on the side iif possible.

As this is already entirely too long, I will finish it up, but I do appreciate you reading through all of this and look forward to any thoughts/recommendations you might have on the subject. Keep up the great work.

Safe flying,
Dan

From Ron:

I enjoy listening to your show. I’d be very interested in hearing different viewpoints on building multi engine time.

I just finished a multi-engine commercial rating at a community college and need to continue to garner more flight experience.

I went online and came across some time building programs. I then read warnings about some of those programs on other websites. They claimed that buying time at some of those operations was essentially worthless because many prospective employers view that time as garbage.

I talked to a FBO that had a multiengine available for rent and there was even more disagreement.

I’m confused and I need to hear from professionals who don’t have any financial stake in giving good advice.

From Todd:

Carl,

No doubt, this isn’t the first email you have received from someone pondering a career change. I am 40 years old and have always had a passion for flying. I obtained my Private PIlot Certificate before starting college.

I was planning to pursue my dream of becoming a corporate pilot when I discovered the FAA’s vision requirements. I was crushed, so I left aviation and am now a veterinarian. Fast forward to now.

I recently discovered that the FAA changed their vision requirements not long after I left aviation. I couldn’t believe it! Well, here I am, pondering one of the biggest decisions of my life. I’ve never had the same passion for my current career as I do flying. My goal is once again to fly for a corporate flight department. That leads me to this question:

Multi-engine PIC time is so important for many jobs. With most freight companies out of business, building time as a cargo pilot is almost a thing of the past. How can someone today build that important multi-engine time short of buying it? Instructing is one way, but fewer people seem to be pursuing multi-engine ratings. What are some other ways one can build PIC multi-engine time?

Thanks!

Todd

Links Mentioned in The Show:

Airmanship and Experience: Taking Advantage Of The Pending Pilot Shortages

Airplane Geeks Podcast

ATP Flight School

Action Multi Engine Ratings

Tom Wachowski – Consider It Brands.

Recommendation:

The Top Five Regrets of the Dying: A Life Transformed by the Dearly Departing


ACP020 Land That Job: Successful Interviews and Resumes with Amanda Myers of JSfirm.com

If you are preparing for a job interview then this episode is for you. I will share with you the key elements to a successful interview. To help me with this process I am excited to have with me Amanda Myers of JSfirm.com.

JSfirm.com creates aviation opportunities by having one of the most extensive listings of aviation jobs on the internet. Amanda is with me today to discuss how you can increases your chances of obtaining a job in the aviation field by having an outstanding resume and being prepared for your interview.

Amanda and I discuss:

  • The Importance of A Good Resume.
  • Hiring prospects in the aviation industry.
  • Why the first phone contact is important.
  • Qualifications and interview performance.
  • The Interview Process.
  • The importance of rehearsing a script.
  • How and why you should practice before the interview.
  • What is JSfirm.com and how they create aviation opportunities.
  • The aviation resume services offered by JSfirm.

Recommendation:

JSfirm is truly “creating aviation opportunities” as their byline states.

The website has a broad scope of jobs in the aviation industry while focusing on the most popular jobs. If you want to view the various jobs in the aviation industry this is a great place to start. You can spend time perusing their website and learning about the many job opportunities.

JSfirm.com allows you to post your resume for free and offers resume services. I highly suggest you read the section of their job interview tips which is free. To find your next career in aviation and to learn more about the services provided by JSfirm.com please call 724-547-6203 or visit JSfirm.com.

Listener Questions:
(note: questions are edited for privacy and content)

Question From Erol:

Hello Carl,

I want to start off by telling you how much I enjoy both of your podcasts. They’re both on my regular not-to-be-missed podcast playlist.

I’m a complete aviation geek and have been my whole life. I’m passionate about aviation, the airline business, and piloting. In fact, I am launching a podcast of my own here soon.

I am a private pilot with 300 hours in a single engine airplane. I’m 42 working in the semiconductor industry.

Question 1:

So this brings me to my first question. In researching my options to “punch my tickets” i.e. getting the instrument, multi, commercial, CFI, CFII and MEI ratings, I came across ATP (http://www.atpflightschool.com/). What is your opinion of ATP or a similar school where you earn the ratings in 90 days? Would this training be looked upon as a positive or a negative by an airline? If this is a negative, what would be a better alternative?

Answer:

Thank you for the questions and listening to both of the podcasts I am involved with. For those of you who only know me from listening to this podcast, I am a regular co host on The Stuck Mic AvCast. This is another aviation podcast about learning to fly, living to fly, and loving to fly. If you want to hear some interesting conversations about flying general aviation airplanes go to StuckMicAvCast.com.

First let me say I am inspired by your enthusiasm and think you will enjoy a job in the aviation field. To answer your first question, I feel schools where you earn all of your ratings in 90 days can be both good and bad, it depends on the school.

I am very familiar with ATP flight school and feel they do a great job with training. As a matter of fact I sent one of my students there because he wanted to accelerate the process of becoming a professional pilot. Now with that said I have attended many accelerated programs for various ratings and I can say the quality of training is the most important aspect of the flight school.

I went to one accelerated program where I feel I received poor training and the school finally folded. Other accelerated programs I have attended were good. I look at these accelerated programs similar to summer school classes where you attend class all day. They are intense, you learn quickly because you are immersed in the material, and the quality depends on the quality of the program and the instructors.

I don’t think this training is looked upon as a positive or a negative at the airline. I see many new hires come from these accelerated programs. With that said you must understand in aviation there is no substitute for quality training and experience.

Question 2:

Now, assuming I get my ratings, can you help me understand the difference between quality hours and non-quality hours as it relates to a hiring airline? If the looming pilot shortage is real, do you expect airlines to be picky about how the hours were flown?

Answer:

The difference between quality hours and non-quality hours as it relates to a hiring airline is simple. Do the hours you are gaining make you come closer to minimums for the airline you are applying. If the airline you are interested in working for has a minimum of 200 hours multi-engine time and you are flying a single engine it doesn’t matter how many hours you get if you don’t get the 200 multi-engine time.

This happened to me. I had many hours of flight instructing in single engine aircraft and very few hours of multi-engine time. I had an airline call me three times to see if I wanted to interview and each time I couldn’t even interview because I didn’t have enough multi-engine time.

When I was furloughed this also hurt me because I didn’t have enough multi-engine piston time to work at a flight school teaching in their twin. So the moral of the story is to build as much multi-engine time as you can.

One further consideration is to make sure you actually have some time actually flying the plane. There are some airlines who distinguish on your application the time you were “sole manipulator of the controls”. Theoretically you could get your ratings and fly right seat as safety pilot and only land the plane every 90 days to keep current. My advice is to have a mix of both being the sole manipulator of the controls and the safety pilot. Of course if you get your CFI you are no longer logging safety pilot time. I highly recommend your getting your CFI if you want to make money and build time.

The upcoming hiring boom or “pilot shortage” for the airlines will work like this. There are many high time pilots on the street right now who will probably get the jobs first. But since the number of qualified pilots is less than it was 10 years ago the airlines will go through this fairly quickly and then they won’t be a “picky” about your hours. Remember to always be trying to increase your eligibility for the airlines no matter the stage of the hiring cycle.

When one of the “pilot shortages/hiring cycles” came back in the 90’s my friend was hired with 5000 hours and that was considered competitive for a regional job at the time. Only a year later the regionals began hiring pilots with as few as 500 hours. That is where I see us heading in the future.

One other item that you need to keep an eye on is if the FAA is going to relax the new requirement for all first officers at an airline to have an ATP. This may happen and is something to watch.

Question 3:

Given my age, is it realistic to think I can make it to the airline? And, if I do, what are my chances of reaching a seniority to hold a line and no longer fly reserve?

Answer:

Given your age it is quite realistic to make it to the airline but you must help me define what you mean by an airline. Many people are making the career choice to remain at the “regional airlines”. Many of these airlines fly to different countries and have great benefits and pay. After 10 years with the large jet regionals you can expect to make low six figures and have approximately 15 days off.

What is interesting is the DOT classifies many of the large regionals as major airlines due to the fact they use gross revenue to define the difference between regional and major. Most employment websites classify these airlines in the “National and Low Cost Carrier” sector.

Furthermore, with a regional carrier you will get to go to many of the same cities and countries as the majors as long as it is not too far over seas. About 7 years ago while flying for a “regional” I flew to three countries in one day. I’m not sure we can continue to call this type of flying regional anymore.

With all this said, if you do wish to make it to a Major airline and schedule is important for you then research the age of the pilots at the airline where you want to work. To advance on the seniority list someone senior to you must retire or leave the company. If there are many people above you on the list that are younger than you your advancement up the list will be limited. The reason I say you must look at age is because people don’t leave once they are senior because there are no lateral moves in the airline business. This is something to research when you are looking at an airline.

Question 4:

And finally what are your comments about the quality of life as a pilot? I’m not so much concerned with the salary because my wife and I are financially prepared for the change in income. I’m more concerned about being a parent.

I’ve spoken with pilots who say that while they’re away for 3-4 days each week the time at home the remainder of the week is higher quality. For example when they’re home, they’re home all day versus me who when home is in an office 8-10 hrs/day. I’ve spoke with other pilots who claim they missed the first 20 years of their child’s life and feel like they missed everything. Obviously two different viewpoints. Not sure if you have kids or not but any feedback is appreciated.

Answer:

Your final question regarding quality of life as a pilot is an interesting one. Much of your quality of life depends on the type of equipment you are flying, your seniority, and the airline you work for. It also can change with the seasons and economic cycles.

I have had both wonderful schedules and poor schedules depending on my seniority and how they schedule pilots at the airlines I have worked for. At times I have had 20 days off a month and was home more than on the road. Other times I might not get home for 2 weeks at a time only to be home for less than 36 hours. Again this is all dependent on the airline, your seniority and how far you live from work.

For example, I live over a thousand miles from where I work. I have to commute to work sometimes 24 hours in advance and at times don’t get to come home from work for up to 12 hours after I finish a trip. It takes me door to door six hours to get to work on a good day but I normally need a few more hours in case of cancellations and bad weather.

If you decide not to “commute” to work and simply drive into work it can make your schedule much easier to deal with and you will get be home more often. I know that when I lived in base I felt like it was a different job altogether. When I left work I would be home in an hour and that was it until the next time I went to work.

As flight crew members we can live anywhere in the world. We can live in an island paradise and commute to work, or we can live near the airport where we are based. The ultimate would be to have a base near a place you want to live. This would be the ultimate quality of life for a pilot and I know many who do this. But you need to work at an airline who has a base where you want to live.

You see much goes into the decision when you are looking towards a career as a flight crew member. Commuting will very much affect your lifestyle. It affects mine tremendously. But I made a decision to live in an island paradise with sand in my toes and then jump on a plane and go to work. This lifestyle is not for everyone but it does have some perks.

Thanks again for the great questions Erol.

Closing:

If you are interested in getting into the aviation or aerospace field I hope you have realized through this interview the wide variety of jobs available. Whether flying, designing, building, repairing, or managing airplanes you can find a job in aviation if that is your passion.

To contact us please go to AvationCareersPodcast.com and click on the contact page. Don’t forget to like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter. I also invite you to leave a voicemail at 347-MY-WINGS or 347-699-4647. If you have comments, suggestions, or questions for me or one of my guests please feel free to ask.

Hope to see you next episode. Safe Flying!


ACP015 Flight Attendant Careers, Interview With Betty In The Sky With A Suitcase

Welcome to Episode 15. Ever wonder what it is like to be a flight attendant? Well today I am excited to have my first flight attendant on Aviation Careers Podcast to help us understand the exciting career of a flight attendant.

In today’s show we discuss pursuing a career as a flight attendant. I am very excited to have with me the person I feel is best to help introduce this career to us, Betty Thesky. Betty is a flight attendant with a major airline, author of “Betty In The Sky With A Suitcase”, and host of the podcast Betty In The Sky With A Suitcase. I think you will learn a great deal as we introduce you to the exciting career as flight attendant.

Betty and I discuss:

  • Her journey to becoming a flight attendant.
  • Why do we have flight attendants?
  • The day in the life of a flight attendant.
  • Commuting to work.
  • Seniority.
  • What is a crash pad?
  • Qualifications for a job as a flight attendant.
  • What you can do to make yourself more competitive when applying for a job.
  • Expected earnings and premium pay.
  • Betty’s advice for those looking into a career as a flight attendant.
  • Her Podcast Betty In The Sky With A Suitcase.
  • Recommended Reading: Betty In The Sky With A Suitcase.

Links Mentioned In This Podcast:

Bureau Of Labor Statistics – Flight Attendant Pay

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ACP014 – What Is Business And Private Aviation?, Interview with Corporate Pilot Tom Wachowski

Welcome aboard Episode 14. I am excited you are joining me today on a journey through the world of Business and Private Aviation. Most use the term corporate aviation to describe this type of flying because corporations and individuals that own corporations utilize business aircraft.

Some Examples of Business Aviation Usage from the NBAA.org website:

  • Transportation of employees.
  • Transportation of customers.
  • Transportation of cargo, parts and mail.
  • Medical and emergency transport.
  • Mapping and surveying.
  • Aerial photography.
  • Agricultural applications.
  • Game tracking and control.
  • Security and law enforcement.
  • News gathering.
  • Airborne research and development.
  • Pipeline and utility monitoring.
  • Weather monitoring and reporting.
  • Humanitarian missions.

To help us discover the unique and diverse aviation career path of a corporate pilot I have a special guest with me today. Tom Wachowski flies a Challenger 604 and Falcon 2000 for a Fortune 500 company. He has been flying professionally since 1999 and has done everything from flight instructing, flying as an airline Captain, and as a charter pilot.

Tom and I discuss:

  • His journey from airline pilot to corporate pilot.
  • His experience flying for the airlines.
  • Why the airline shutting down was the best thing for his aviation career.
  • The job opportunities flying for businesses and private individuals.
  • Opportunities in flying other than the airlines.
  • The many career opportunities in Business and Private aviation.
  • His advice for someone looking towards a career in business aviation.
  • Tom’s interests other than flying and how it ties into his current career.
  • Tom and I answer Listener e-mail.

Listener Question From Patrick:

First, I think this podcast is a great idea. You truly hit the nail on the head when you said that you were looking to fill an unmet need with this. Thank you!

At the age of 40 I received my Private Pilot ticket. Now 41, I am working on Instrument rating with just over 110 hrs. TFT.

Question 1:

Currently I am in sales and cover multiple states and would like to approach my employer about flying to accounts. I would need to rent (which I’m doing currently or would consider a flying club as an option.) I would like to hear from others in a similar situation and how they introduced it to their company, pros/cons (for both me and company), pitfalls, cost analysis, etc.

Question 2:

I like how you discuss having a career contingency plan (which makes perfect sense in this day and age). I have a few rental properties a significant distance (by car) from where I live. This is part of my contingency plan. I am considering another rental property or a plane (and lease back to the local rental company) as a next venture. There are 2 questions here: a. How does someone own and fly in support of their personal LLC business (pros, cons, financial implications). b. Is a lease back financially profitable/break even, contractual considerations with rental company (a glass 172 is the plane in mind). An accountant perspective would be great!

Question 3:

I’m married with 2 kids 6 and 3. My wife works (is the breadwinner) and together we make low 6 figure incomes annually. Ultimately I would love to fly for a living. At age 41 with a Private and 110 hrs TFT, is a career as a pilot (likely Regionals at best with such a long road ahead) feasible? What would be the best course of action? What timeframe and financial burden can I expect?

Thanks for the interesting questions Patrick. I really enjoy receiving these questions and answering them so that all of our listeners can benefit. If you have questions concerning aviation careers and would like to hear them answered on this podcast please submitt them by going to the contact page at AviationCareersPodcast.com/Contact. You can also send me a question via Twitter, Facebook, or e-mail.

I enjoy helping all of you achieve your aviation career goal. If you have any questions or suggestions for guest you would like to hear interviewed on this podcast please let me know by contacting me. I have a line up of many guests who are in various fields in aviation and I think you will really enjoy hearing from them in upcoming episodes. Your questions will be edited for privacy and accuracy.

Tom Wachowski has had a varied and interesting career in aviation. We look forward to speaking with him on upcoming episodes. Please send us any questions you may have about business or private aviation to AviationCareersPodcast.com/Contact.

Links Mentioned in this podcast:

Tom Wachowski’s website Consider It Brands.

NBAA TravelSense: tool which demonstrates the value of business aviation can provide your company

AOPA – Aircraft Owners And Pilots Association

Suggested Reading:

Thanks for listening and safe flying.


ACP012 – Job Prospects: Corporate Versus Airlines Jobs, Interview With Flight Time Radio


Welcome to Episode 12 and thanks for listening. Today we are going to be talking about Corporate Versus Airlines Jobs. I am really excited to spend some time with you today to talk about the interesting and diverse aviation career field. Whether you are in your car, on your way to work, working out in the gym, or maybe just relaxing in your living room; I hope the time we spend together will help you obtain a deeper understand of the different careers opportunities in the field of aviation.

I have received questions and have been involved in conversations about the two distinct paths of flying; corporate or airlines. To help you better understand the difference I discuss:

  • What Is Business Aviation?
  • The National Business Aviation Association and how they can help you with your career.
  • Why flying for the regional airlines will help you build flight time quicker than with business flying.
  • According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics 30 percent of the new flying jobs are in business aviation.

To continue the discussion on the difference between business aviation and flying for the airlines I am going to share with you an interview I had with Flight Time Radio in Jacksonville, FL. Flight Time Radio brings the thrill of aviation to listeners of all backgrounds through a group of passionate aviation enthusiasts. The Hosts Milford, Charlie, and Glenn asked me many questions including:

  • Why I started Aviation Careers Podcast.
  • What type of jobs are there in aviation.
  • Why there are no lateral moves when you change airlines and why you must start over again.
  • What are the job prospects for Business Aviation.
  • According to Bureau of Labor Statistics 30 percent of the pilot jobs will be in business aviation. Some independent analysts place the percentage as high as 40 percent.

I really enjoy speaking with the folks at Flight Time Radio. They are truly passionate aviators and love the field of aviation as much as anyone. If you want to learn more about what is happening in the general aviation world and learn about the fun things aviators do, these are the folks to listen to.

Listener E-mail:

I was wondering if you have any tips for financing someone that has a BS degree but wants to become a Commercial Pilot. Other than student loans what other finance options are available?
May be a good idea for a guest.

Thanks,
Jason

Thanks for the e-mail Jason.

There are many grant and loan programs that go unused as we mentioned in episode 6 when I spoke with the folks at National Aviation Academy and in episode 7 where I spoke with Lynda Meeks from Girls With Wings. Just remember even though it says Girls With Wings most of the grants, loans, and scholarships are available to everyone. Both of my guests had links on their websites concerning grants and loans. Of course there are always personal loans which is how I financed my flying while I was working towards my ratings.

To view the episodes go to:

https://www.aviationcareerspodcast.com/6

https://www.aviationcareerspodcast.com/7

Recommendation:

There is no better way to understand the world of Business Aviation and the many career opportunities than by visiting the National Business Aviation Association website NBAA.org. There are two sections of the website I recommend you visit. First, the What Is Aviation section which will describe what business aviation is, the type of aircraft used, and provides you with the business aviation fact book.

The second section you should visit is the For Students section. The NBAA offers over $100,000 a year in tuition reimbursements and other educational opportunities. So if you are thinking of a career in aviation and you think the cost might be prohibitive, you might want to visit this section as an avenue securing money for your education. The NBAA is a wonderful organization with a variety of services available to all sectors of the business aviation community so if you are thinking of a career in business aviation this should be your first stop for information.

Thanks for listening to Episode 12 of Aviation Careers Podcast. Show notes and links to all the websites mentioned in this episode are available at AviationCareersPodcast.Com/12. These podcasts and more information are available at AviationCareersPodcast.com. Don’t forget to like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter for notification of episodes and other career information.

Thanks again for spending time with us and I hope you will now take some consideration to Business Aviation as a career possibility. If you have any questions you would like answered on this podcast please visit AviationCareersPodcast.com and click on the contact page. You can also send questions via facebook and twitter. I hope this episode has helped you decide what your aviation career goal is and has helped you along your path towards that goal. Talk to you next episode. Safe Flying!

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